This. I only took the job because the entry-level salary was the best offer on the table at the time. Because, while I was labeled “gifted”, I wouldn’t say I was remarkably smarter than the B students in my class. I worked with another intern. There’s nothing shameful about not getting a full-time offer at the end of an internship, particularly when you wouldn’t have wanted the job anyway. Maximize Your Internship and Launch Your…. I’m sure you were professional throughout your internship but I am also sure those who made recommendations to hire/not hire saw your ambivalence and lack of enthusiasm. In fact, nearly 90 percent of eligible returning interns received an offer of full-time … He’s home now, but still has a long way to go. I once applied for a job that I thought I wanted – I’d been in my role for several years, it was a step up, everyone seemed to be expecting me to apply for it. Hours of review on your resume, countless interviews, and maybe even a new suit. Since your internship manager said you’d be a good auditor, I’m going to guess you like things that some folks find tedious (like data analysis) that you are labeling as menial. You crushed your internship—nice work, by the way!—so much so that the company has offered you a full-time job. You dodged a bullet if that is their idea of valuing staff. I promise that what I knew and felt Job 1 and Job 2 was based on insecurity and uncertainty. It’s up to you how to calculate all this and what trade-offs you’re willing to make. That’s about a 2% conversion rate from applications to full time offers. I’m interested and a little surprised that so many people are saying that they coasted through school without much effort. OP, it sounds like their feelings toward you were the same as your feelings toward them, i.e., “This would work if there were no better options.”. We feel like bad parents for kind of hoping that she’ll lose more often, but it’s such a valuable lesson to learn. I found that I am interested in aerospace or scientific jobs, because I have always enjoyed utilizing science or investigating a variety of topics in some way. I would try and do this, even if you don’t want to. It’s better to find that out during an internship than spend the first 5-10 years of your working life bouncing between jobs because nothing is a good fit. You can definitely get a full time offer without an internship. The college try was appreciated, but they weren’t going to extend an offer to a bored, unfulfilled intern when it sounds like they had their pick of those who were actually engaged. Well, in school, there was set number of possible answers and one was “right.” And the authority figure (the teacher) already knew which one was “right.” In fact they would tell me at the outset, in black and white, which was the “right” information. You’re good at other things. Although TBH I do wonder, if *literally every* other intern got an offer other than OP, if they’re slightly downplaying the negative feedback they received. How might new technology influence it? Every person is not going to be your person, and rightly so. Tell them that you learned a lot over the summer and you would like to stay in touch. I really like one of the comments below about redefining what a successful internship looks like. Win/win! It’s a good learning experience, OP – try to cultivate a growth mindset where setbacks are just signs to think deeper or work harder. Life is a journey and you are well on your way to an exciting career! OP – I’m not saying you are not a delightful and wonderful person/employee. If your goal was to be knowledgeable about the subject and you got there, is that enough?”. I know it was hard to hear some of that OP but it was honest and frankly- not at all unkind. updates: the social boss, knowing when to lean out, and more, interviewer pressed me about politics, I was undercover-bossed, and more, update: my emotionally fragile employee is sobbing at work multiple times a week, updates: the religious music, the venting boss, and more, updates: my older male coworker is obsessed with my weight and baby plans, and more, share your funniest office holiday stories, my old job ripped off another company, should I tell my coworkers why my boobs are gone, and more, Microsoft is removing the user names from its creepy “productivity score”, updates: asking out an ex-boss, kids taking note at your meetings, and more, my employee wants too much time off for the holidays, update: my work is getting more and more religious and I’m an atheist, I’m attracted to my boss, VIP references, and more, update: my coworkers make orgasm sounds while I’m on the phone, “I will confront you by Wednesday of this week”, update: my employee keeps getting deadnamed by a coworker, I couldn’t use sick time after my boyfriend had a stroke because we’re not married, and more, Microsoft’s creepy new “productivity score” tells your boss how often you attend meetings, answer email, and use Word. Don’t let it bother you! Totally agree, witty. Yeah, I actually was tested for the gifted program in 4th grade and (as I understand it) I didn’t pass by the at the time standards but I passed by the previous standards that my classmates already in it had passed, so I was let in, but on the edge. This jumped out at me too. I also took an advanced math class (as someone without any type of strong math background) and worked so much harder than I ever had at a class – that was one of my favorite experiences that I’m the most proud of. None of it is personal, but it’s hard not to take it that way. Thank you for your advice. There, the very best ones change into real shoes, put their heads down and land a real full-time job offer three months later. Especially if our previous experience tells us otherwise. Another thing you may want to think about is that, while it’s okay to be someone who just wants their paycheck and to work 9-5, there are people who are going to pass over you for those who demonstrate more passion for the work. I’m actually a pretty good student with As and Bs in most of my courses in college. Except dental school. I developed my organizational and time management skills over the course of the internship and now have a solid system in place. This is all exactly me. If so, why create drama? And, I want to feel proud of myself and what I’ve done. All fine things. I feel you! I like challenging myself to do better…at my job. It probably would have been better for me to be in a position where I can do a lot more behind the scenes work without much interaction. Unfortunately, I couldn’t switch mentors, so I stuck it out the best I could. ZOMG flash back to so many of my similar friends and family, the first time they got fired or didn’t ace the SATs. That’s not the goal of an internship at all — it’s a nice result, but not why you should do internships. For example, if you go the “9-5 job with headphones on and performing menial tasks” route that you mentioned in your letter, that’s going to limit what you can earn and what kind of opportunities you have access to later on — which you might be totally fine with, but make sure you’ve thought it through before you decide. I agree with Annabelle-it’s less about being smart than having specific skills that make doing all the work you describe easier. Not just get an offer period. However, since I lived in a very poor, rural area, the schools never got the proper funding to do “gifted” programs or have special schools or anything like that, so I was always stuck kind of taking what I could get. If you coast by in a class, then depending on what type of class it is, you might get a blank slate next semester. In fact, the feedback helps push you towards a better fit faster. It really affected my mental health. I actually think the OP sealed his/her fate when they requested a new mentor early in the internship. Someone who isn’t enthusiastic about the work is not a good fit. I always figured a B student would be happy if they got an A and sad if they got an F, but I had a 4.0 GPA which meant there was no happiness available. This sent me into a conflicted identity crisis. I don’t beat myself up about it. I didn’t study for any standardized testing from the PSAT to the MCAT. I am recognized for my expertise in a certain area. OP wrote: “I had a mentor who was very blunt, treated me like I was mentally challenged at times, and talked down to me often in front of some of my peers.”. Hours of review on your resume, countless interviews, and maybe even a new suit. The disliking things that are challenging and then feeling disappointed in myself for it particularly strikes a chord. I had both a great memory and good writing skills. Don’t look at it as a failure, but as a learning experience and the fact that you have learned that this type of position/industry isn’t for you. It sounds like you went into this internship with the goal of getting a job offer. Others will have full-time internships, meaning they work the same hours as the company's full-time employees. His growth is off the charts whereas I’ve kind of flatlined since primary school! But that skillset wasn’t sufficient to be able to conduct original research, write a thesis, revise it many times, and defend it. I got a B in math in middle school and it horrified me, but I kept on keeping on and got high Bs and As throughout high school. SO back to the OP here, it is good to learn early where you excel and where you do not and what you like to do and what you do not. I also really want to caution you about assuming others are naturally gifted when it seems like you are having to work harder. I have a lot of ADHD tendencies and while I wanted so badly to be a good student, I was chronically forgetting HW, etc. I can’t get past the part where they’re making long term staff redundant yet bringing on swathes of interns (presumbly to take their place at a lower rate of pay). They probably picked up on the fact that you weren’t enthused by the work. I didn’t really want the job, but I feel disappointed in myself. And “going beyond.” And “asking for more work.”. But it can also be the drive to succeed at your own chosen path; not to show the world you’re the best but to achieve things that you think are important and worthwhile. Pick yourself up, shake off your frustration and get going! The main character coasts in every sport she plays. Or even my third. And that the only person I have to compete with is myself. Someone who meets expectations but does not exceed them and who thinks asking for more work = being ambitious and wanting to be CEO someday is unlikely to land the kind of computer programming job that comes with a 6 figure salary, and they are also unlikely to enjoy it if they somehow did. I read a really fascinating article once on child prodigies and how their lives sort of tanked once they were no longer prodigies. We often comment here on how job searching and dating have parallels, and this is one of those moments. But it is actually a success. Many employers who offer internships do so as a way to try out and recruit new full-time employees. If it was worded as it was in the letter, that is pretty explicit to me. I can run a 10k twice a week. The truth is that the processes we need don’t exist and have to be created every time, and you don’t really know if you did it “right” except years later, if it ultimately worked. Instead, I write for a living, and hire an accountant to do my taxes! “There’s no actual emergency here! I’m to the point where I’m considering quitting because I’m afraid I’ll otherwise be fired and don’t know if I could handle that. I would definitely suggest to OP that he continue to work on his development skills if he wants a job where he can do that kind of thing and still be really successful. I’ll admit though that I haven’t bothered to study as such ever since – I keep up to date on medical advances, but I don’t ‘study’. ... As a note, I'm terrible at interviewing; it took me until my fourth try at the big four I work for now to get a full-time offer, after failing first-round interviews all through school as well as my first try for full-time. I tell my husband his parents did him a great disservice by not putting him in any kind of sports when he was a kid. Academics always came really easy to me, but so did a lot of things in the work world too. If nothing else it will help prevent them not knowing what they really *don’t* want until they’re stuck with it.”. (of course this isn’t always true but I’m talking about the emotional reaction) So if someone is like, you’re nice but I can tell you’re not compatible with me for dating it’s like, OK that makes sense they are looking for That One Person. Also, based on what I hear from my friends in the finance industry, they expect you to be ready and willing to work beaucoup hours early in your career. I do think this is probably a more … academic perspective, too. Saw what my friends/classmates were doing. Oh, yes, so true! And hey, if you’re the kind of person who just wants to have a job that funds your hobbies and weekends, that’s okay too. EQ is why B students often do such much better than their A peers (looking in the mirror). But also am just not sure if it’s my current situation that has me feeling so down on myself, and I don’t especially want to take a pay cut for a job like that. ” totally conflict with each other and suggests that OP doesn’t have as much clarity about what they prefer as they think they do today – so there is an opportunity for OP to explore what this means and to reflect on and tease out the they’re own truth and any assumptions they are making in each of those statements to better fine tune what OP wants in the next job. ooh, yes, this was me – I’d do lines upon lines of complex algebra with no problem at all, then get the wrong answer by putting 3 x 2 = 5 on the final line. I agree with what you said, and it gave a much better perspective to consider for the future. Wow – you just summed up my entire school vs career struggle. You won’t necessarily know the answers now, and that’s totally okay! It’s not a formality or “diploma” of an internship – they want to hire people who will be good employees. I went through something like this at about 14-15, but in a weird way. You’re right about everything. That is something your employers let you do because you have shown yourself capable of that. Then there was high school. But there was always one course each year that just didn’t come naturally to me. This. Recruiting is a grind and can seem hopeless at times, but it only takes one great offer for the whole process to … That’s more valuable to me than awards and accolades. But you have an offer with another company, and can absolutely say “oh, I learned this wasn’t the right fit for me, so I went in a different direction with company X” when people ask. Constantly — and I studiously(!) My job dealt with computer programming, so my assignments were based on that and a big group project presentation at the end of the summer. I’ll take it as a learning experience. He had a really hard time with losing the election and part of it, I think, was that he had never learned how to deal with losing. You’re an intern, yes, but everyone in your department should know you and what work you do. I had the opposite effect with running. For awhile, I thought praise wasn’t worth much if I had to work for it; it was only valuable if it came to me naturally without my having to do anything. And in retrospect, I wish I had gotten a bit more out of my various internships — 16-18 years later I can see where I failed. Moreover, you, OP, gave the most valuable information possible in your assessment of the situation. OP – it sounds like you’re saying one thing but feeling another. It may seem like the end of the world right now, but I promise this is a blip on the map, a tiny road block. If the field you’re in doesn’t give you enough energy to be curious, you’re in the wrong field. No Full-time offer after PwC internship? It’s all about perspective. But to get some peace for yourself, you need to decide if just being OK is actually what you want or if you want to be that overachiever. Job offers aren’t given out to make you feel good about your self or feel worthwhile. Thanks for this thought! You really have to *think* about what you’re doing, and do so strenuously and rigorously, rather than pull out a cookbook formula over and over again. I’m a perfectionist and I believe I know what I need to work on, but I so focused on trying to be perfect that I miss the entire big picture. It’s not a great way to be, I’m working on it. She ends up meeting someone who introduces her to MMA fighting, and she loses for the first time in ages. It sounds like the OP did not want this job, but rather the company’s rejection is the part that hurt. One was something that I really loved, but did not have a natural gift for, and the other was the kind of thing you’re always supposed to be striving to be better at-competing against yourself, kind of thing. How does it connect with the jobs of your co-workers? But now I think it might have been because I wasn’t raised with the idea that I was gifted. Pretty much, at least in years past, it was OK not to even tell girls that they tested gifted – and honestly if someone maybe would have just told me, I wouldn’t have always felt like something was wrong with me when I was compared to my peers. I been here a while. The OP or the company was downplaying it? If you’d been interested in the work, it would have shown: you’d have asked more questions; followed things up; taken more in in meetings and made the links between that and your own work; chatted to people to find out what they do – all sorts of things. >> She also said that I met expectations, but needed to learn to exceed them and ask for more work. Finally, some words of advice from a very wise person: “Success is peace of mind, which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you made the effort to do your best to become the best that you are capable of becoming.” — John Wooden. When you start your new job, I would try and take some of the feedback into consideration. I would have much rather learned those lessons during various internships when there is less at stake. Man, I love this whole thread. The firm that I will be interning at this summer hired about 8-10 people for full-time. . I’m guessing the letter writer has my own history of always being on the honor roll but picked last for dodgeball. Most also have a general sense of whether someone is a good fit with the company. See, I only recently found out that my IQ is in the gifted range! Finding ways to frame things like that is really helpful. I’m still shaking off that huge emotional setback. That A at the top of the paper isn’t exciting if it’s what you always get (or if it’s the minimum that seems remotely acceptable), but what you can actually feel good about is the nice comment the teacher wrote. I feel like I worked really hard even though I didn’t really like the internship. I was “gifted” and “tall” when I was eleven. I’ve heard it’s common with people who are tagged as “gifted” or “high achievers” in early life, as you come to believe that’s a fundamental trait and don’t always learn how to work hard and persevere at something. It takes practice, but try to work on looking for more opportunities. I would be happy working a 9-5 job with headphones on and performing menial tasks.
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